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usmc69 12-01-2019 02:42 PM

What Are People Smoking???
 
What are people smoking? Is a Izhmash Biathlon-7-2-KO really worth an opening bid of $899.00 with a "Buy It Now" of $1199.00? I think I paid $250.00 or so about 5-6 years ago.

Pete44ru 12-01-2019 03:35 PM

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With all due respect, that was then, this is now...……….

If it sells, you'll find the seller's smoking a Cuban cigar... :p

There's an old axiom amongst sellers: "How can you get a good price if you don't ask for it ? "

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usmc69 12-01-2019 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete44ru (Post 11688881)
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With all due respect, that was then, this is now....

If it sells, you'll find the seller's smoking a Cuban cigar... :p

There's an old axiom amongst sellers: "How can you get a good price if you don't ask for it ? "

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Just trying to figure out if the value is because they are not imported anymore or if I was missing something in the accuracy department.

Pete44ru 12-01-2019 09:19 PM

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IDK that, but do know the a fair price for something no longer available is what someone is willing to spend.

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Racer X 12-01-2019 11:35 PM

does it come with a bunch of mags?

usmc69 12-02-2019 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Racer X (Post 11689307)
does it come with a bunch of mags?

It is on Gunbroker.

Triggershoe 12-02-2019 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by usmc69 (Post 11688815)
What are people smoking? Is a Izhmash Biathlon-7-2-KO really worth an opening bid of $899.00 with a "Buy It Now" of $1199.00? I think I paid $250.00 or so about 5-6 years ago.

usmc69--- I don't think you missed anything, its just that certain folks, if they WANT one bad enough, are going to pay whatever it takes to obtain one of these as they are no longer available. While I personally would NOT pay that amount for one of these, I certainly AM glad I picked up a couple while they were $399 (from CDNN?, I think) a few years back. I think that was the LAST batch of these rifles imported into the USA. I have to say that the accuracy of these rifles is amazing (at least the two that I have) and the 2-stage triggers can be adjusted to a very nice break. The rest of it, however, is very "utilitarian" and the stocks (Russian fence posts:)?) are not much to look at. Is one of these rifles, even if NIB worth $899?? I think not, but that's just me. The thing is, though, I like the 7-2's so much I doubt if I would sell mine, even FOR $899. Talk about being conflicted... :D:D

hara-julu 12-02-2019 11:13 AM

There is a small but growing group of biathletes in the U.S. and these 7-2 actions are a way to build a competitive rifle for a lot less $ than the German alternative. An Annie all set up to race is about $4,000 while thanks to folks like Lost-Nation R&D and Eastern Sierra Armory, someone with a little work can get a functional race-ready rifle for around $2,200 all in, that includes an 7-2 for $800, which is my ceiling for one of these just now. Lol, if anyone wants a "stock" stock, I have a few sitting around, these are useful to hold the action during shipping :).

HJ

SillyMike 12-02-2019 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by usmc69 (Post 11688815)
What are people smoking? Is a Izhmash Biathlon-7-2-KO really worth an opening bid of $899.00 with a "Buy It Now" of $1199.00? I think I paid $250.00 or so about 5-6 years ago.

Different time, different individuals.

I have the same reaction as you when I see people spending over $1,000 on a Garand or Enfield...
- I remember them being $200 or less rifles

Wish I could go back in time and buy a few mores.

Topstrap44 12-02-2019 04:16 PM

Mine shoots right up there with my high end longrange rimfire guns but is the perfect gun for PRS type matches.

When you can't get something any more and missed out on the good old days when they were cheap you have to pay to play.

Same thing with the old muscle cars when they were a dime a dozen.

Here's one of mine in it's new PRS action running thru a 10 round magazine. Waiting on the second ARS chassis to be finished hopefully before Christmas.

https://youtu.be/U7sfxyzl2dU

Frank3 12-14-2019 11:47 PM

Went into one of my local gun stores and a used one in a sporter stock with 1 magazine was 1100 bucks

Triggershoe 12-15-2019 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank3 (Post 11703355)
Went into one of my local gun stores and a used one in a sporter stock with 1 magazine was 1100 bucks

The shop owner must have seen the Gunbroker ad that the OP (usmc69) mentioned, and smoking the same substance as well:D:D. Methinks that will be on his display rack for quite some time. Now, if that rifle was a 7-4 model with four or five mags with it, there could be some takers!

Frank3 12-15-2019 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Triggershoe (Post 11703487)
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Originally Posted by Frank3 (Post 11703355)
Went into one of my local gun stores and a used one in a sporter stock with 1 magazine was 1100 bucks

The shop owner must have seen the Gunbroker ad that the OP (usmc69) mentioned, and smoking the same substance as well<img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" /><img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />. Methinks that will be on his display rack for quite some time. Now, if that rifle was a 7-4 model with four or five mags with it, there could be some takers!

I will say the toggle action was easier to cycle than my PWS summit action I used to have. It seems the toggle has a spring to open it up. The action was filthy. If I get back over there this week I will take a picture.

Thomasconnor 12-15-2019 01:18 PM

An amazing rifle...
 
They were an incredible bargain once. Their true Biathlon counterparts are very similar, albeit less useful. I say this because I have both.

The Biathlon rifles 7-3 and 7-4 are well North of $2K and have less practical stocks. The do have a bit nicer triggers but nonetheless the Basic has a fabulous two stage trigger.

The Biathlon Basic sporter configuration easily competes with Anschutz 54 class rifles. Again, I have both. The similar Anschutz Fortner (toggle) action is North of $3K and a fat pig in comparison. So yes, they are worth $900...Tom

usmc69 12-15-2019 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomasconnor (Post 11703961)
They were an incredible bargain once. Their true Biathlon counterparts are very similar, albeit less useful. I say this because I have both.

The Biathlon rifles 7-3 and 7-4 are well North of $2K and have less practical stocks. The do have a bit nicer triggers but nonetheless the Basic has a fabulous two stage trigger.

The Biathlon Basic sporter configuration easily competes with Anschutz 54 class rifles. Again, I have both. The similar Anschutz Fortner (toggle) action is North of $3K and a fat pig in comparison. So yes, they are worth $900.

Here is the best deal going that I know of for a new one, if you contact him directly he may do a little better...Tom

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/848791754

Thanks, but not looking to buy one as I have one I bought a while back for $250 IIRC.

shootsquirrel 12-21-2019 07:11 AM

When they quit importing them they were $1000+ list price at many places. CDNN closed them out for $299 or less but those are gone. I bought 10 & still have several NIB so why arn't they worth what the brought BEFORE being closed out? It's like the Winchester Wildcat made 1 year in sporter & Varmint. Russian gun in a better stock & very accurate with most ammo. Someone on here got a part time job at a gun shop & found 10 in the back room for $199. I bought the last 2 & even got free T shirts. You can spend $1000 on a new rimfire & get far less of a rifle than a Biathlon IMHO.

usmc69 12-21-2019 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by shootsquirrel (Post 11710565)
When they quit importing them they were $1000+ list price at many places. CDNN closed them out for $299 or less but those are gone. I bought 10 & still have several NIB so why arn't they worth what the brought BEFORE being closed out? It's like the Winchester Wildcat made 1 year in sporter & Varmint. Russian gun in a better stock & very accurate with most ammo. Someone on here got a part time job at a gun shop & found 10 in the back room for $199. I bought the last 2 & even got free T shirts. You can spend $1000 on a new rimfire & get far less of a rifle than a Biathlon IMHO.

When I originally asked this question I was amazed at the asking price given what I had paid for mine. I am not going to sell mine to make some extra bucks. I let the Grandkids shoot it. They can go through ammo fast, but still slower than a semiauto,
The only rifle I have that is slower than the Russian is my Winchester 52 D & E, since these are single shot bolt guns is slows them down considerably. Those kids can go through 500 rounds in an hour easy.

NWFRS 12-21-2019 09:47 AM

I bought a pair of Izhmash Biathlon Basics in .22lr when they were first being imported for $260/ea. They were very definitely the most accurate rimfires I've ever owned as well as the quickest to manipulate. Ultimately I sold them both because the barrels were too heavy for me to shoot comfortably offhand. Smooth actions though. Glass-bedded. Neat target crowns. Wrapped barrels. Another thing that really turned me off was the low quality stock. The wood was very soft and the checkering and wood grain/color was terrible. I now have a CZ FS and Trainer, both scoped with Leupold 4x28mm rimfire scopes in low Warne 7.3 series rings. They're more versatile and the fit and finish are much better.

midwest swiss 12-21-2019 12:07 PM

I thank my lucky star I bough 4-5 rnd mags and 2-10 rnd mags back in the day.
I did trade a RFC member for one 10 rnd mag for a 5+3 mag about 6 years ago.
Now I have 5X5 mags and a 10+3 mag now all work just fine.

https://i.imgur.com/rPWdlUcl.jpg

My Basic is my iron sight machine now, 320 bucks out the door.

https://i.imgur.com/k1nH9BTl.jpg

Smoking left hand cig's I am sure.....:D

Triggershoe 12-21-2019 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by midwest swiss (Post 11710867)
I thank my lucky star I bough 4-5 rnd mags and 2-10 rnd mags back in the day.
I did trade a RFC member for one 10 rnd mag for a 5+3 mag about 6 years ago.
Now I have 5X5 mags and a 10+3 mag now all work just fine.

https://i.imgur.com/rPWdlUcl.jpg

My Basic is my iron sight machine now, 320 bucks out the door.

https://i.imgur.com/k1nH9BTl.jpg

Smoking left hand cig's I am sure.....:D

Hey Midwest--those 7-2 mags sure look pretty right there...plastic gold!! So glad that I have a few mags as well (four 5-rounders and one 5+3 rounder). Needless to say, I guard them VERY closely when at the range:D:D.

doubs43 12-21-2019 04:46 PM

I bought my Biathlon Basic 7-2 KO new in May, 2008. It cost me $367. I have three 5 round mags for it.

The action is quick and smooth. The trigger is first rate; light and breaks like glass. It's also very accurate. Below is a target I shot at 75 yards: 10 shots with Eley Club Extra.

The only negative I can think of is that the scope must be removed in order to remove the bolt to clean the chamber and bore from the rear. It doesn't require cleaning often so it's not really that troublesome.

While I wouldn't pay $900 for one - even NIB - I think they're worth a lot more than I paid.

https://i.imgur.com/6wzqwlQ.jpg

NWFRS 12-21-2019 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by doubs43 (Post 11711145)
....The only negative I can think of is that the scope must be removed in order to remove the bolt to clean the chamber and bore from the rear....

I forgot about that! less than ideal for sure. Another problem I experienced was with the 10rd magazines-the first round would always nose-dive. Was I doing something wrong or was that just an early production thing? The 5rd mags were flawless.

usmc69 12-21-2019 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NWFRS (Post 11711309)
I forgot about that! less than ideal for sure. Another problem I experienced was with the 10rd magazines-the first round would always nose-dive. Was I doing something wrong or was that just an early production thing? The 5rd mags were flawless.

Never have had a problem with my mags.

Triggershoe 12-22-2019 06:28 AM

[QUOTE=doubs43;11711145]
The only negative I can think of is that the scope must be removed in order to remove the bolt to clean the chamber and bore from the rear. It doesn't require cleaning often so it's not really that troublesome.

While I wouldn't pay $900 for one - even NIB - I think they're worth a lot more than I paid.

doubs43-- I never considered this bothersome at all. Just use a PatchWorm (RFC advertiser) for routine cleaning, and use the Gunsmither (RFC advertiser as well)chamber tool to scrub the chamber/leade areas if required. This saves removing the scope and having to "touch up" the scope's zero, though it usually only takes a click or two either way, at least in my experience. Also, I agree with your statement about price. $900 for a 7-2? I don't think so:rolleyes:...

Mike Clark 01-08-2020 07:57 AM

I paid $500 for a NIB Basic a couple of years back. At the time the going rate seemed to be close to if not at $1000 USD. I jumped on it figuring at worst I could resell it with no loss.

Sure is a keeper though.


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