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Old 11-18-2011, 03:54 PM
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Model 69A Fore-end styles - 3 types?

I currently have 11 69As in my collection, and I've observed three types of stock fore-ends. For sake of convenience, I'll call them "slim," "target" and "stubby."

Here's some pics of the three types:





On the left, the "slim" style. In the center, the "target" style - much more blocky, similar to that found on target rifle stocks. On the right, the "stubby" style - shorter, and cut/rounded at a slight angle. For these pictures, the butts of all the rifles were placed the same distance away from the wall so you can see the difference in lengths.

Of course, none of these are serial numbered. However, I'll give you the distinguishing characteristics of the three representative rifles above.

SLIM

No markings on the receiver port
Straight bolt handle
Smooth trigger
Full caliber markings
Scope grooves
No chrome parts
Open sights
Not tapped for commercial sights

TARGET

No markings on the receiver port
Swept bolt handle
Grooved trigger
S,L,LR caliber markings
Scope grooves
No chrome parts
Open sights
Tapped for commercial sights

STUBBY

No markings on the receiver port
Straight bolt handle
Smooth trigger
Full caliber markings
No scope grooves
No chrome parts
Open sights
Not tapped for commercial sights.
I can definitely date this rifle from 1949 - I bought it new in January, 1950 as a boy.

These three styles are all I've observed so far - if anyone has any that are significantly different, it would be great if you could post pictures.

Hope this adds to the 69A discussions.

John
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Outstanding report!
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69A stock styles

Excellent comparison PALADIN!

I do have one comment about the "slim" style stocked rifle. There are some unusual aspects that I noticed. You said that this rifle has a straight bolt, smooth trigger, and full caliber markings, yet it has a grooved receiver. The first three traits are typically found on older rifles, yet this one has a grooved receiver typical of later rifles...say post 1954 or near this time frame.

I too have a "slim" stocked 69A and it is similar to yours but there are some differences. Mine has no markings on the receiver port, a swept bolt, a grooved trigger, scope grooves, abbreviated caliber markings, open sights, no chrome parts and it is factory drilled and tapped for receiver peep sights the same as a Match model (ie: no receiver flat side). The wood of the stock partially covers these D&T holes and the rifle has a hand struck serial number (not factory).

Here it is:













Odd comparison huh?

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My 69A [which 22AGS helped me narrow to probably 1938/39] has what you would term the "Target" stock, but the end is even more vertical and "squared off" than the one you picture.

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Checked my rights also "may not post attachments" and I have ben here since 2004
I presume it means directly as you should be able to post from Postbucket etc
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This is the very squared off forend on my d&t 69A mystery rifle.



And Flysalot's similarly stocked newly-minted carbine (from the "Neglect is a four letter word" thread). The stock was untouched and is totally original.
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There are a lot of very nice looking Winchesters in this thread. Here's my '69A with a very squared off stock that is similar to the ones 22AGS posted.

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The "squared off" style was used around WWII (circa 1940-1946). It was one of the first stock styles to be used on the 69A after it was upgraded from the 69.

I think in my notes I have listed 5 distinctive stock profiles for the 69A but that is from memory, I'll check when I get home for Thanksgiving.

Paladin, thanks for posting and stirring the Winchester juices, we always love to see and talk about Winchester .22's

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There are a lot of very nice looking Winchesters in this thread. Here's my '69A with a very squared off stock that is similar to the ones 22AGS posted.
Just look at the lines on this elegant rifle! Beautiful.
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Old 11-19-2011, 10:27 AM
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Great response, guys. So far now, we've seen four styles - "slim", "target", "stubby" and "squared off." I've seen mention that there might be one more - any examples?

John
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Old 11-19-2011, 10:37 AM
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22AGS--thanks for the nice comment! That's my one and only 69A and I'm kinda fond of it.
As for the stock shapes, there seem to be several variations that were used over the years.

Here are some particulars for mine:

With the buttplate square on a hard surface, my stock measures 27 3/4" .
Receiver port marked with a star on the port side and an "R" on the starboard side. (hope I got those right)
Straight bolt handle
Smooth trigger
Full caliber markings
No scope grooves
No chrome parts
Open sights
Not tapped for commercial sights
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Old 11-20-2011, 10:59 AM
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barrel contour differences too?

Hi guys,

I used to have a 69a with grooved receiver and Lyman sights. I believe it had the middle, thicker forend of the "target" or "match" stocks.

Do you think it also had a heavier tapered barrel?

The reason I ask is that my current 69a seems so much lighter than my first. This one is the "stubby" or chunky type stock, much thicker in the wrist than the regular 69 stocks. Yet it still seams lighter. I wonder why?
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Old 11-20-2011, 11:16 AM
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It appears they are all a different overall length. Is there a definate length in inches we can use as a reference other than stubby, squared off or slim?


What did Mrs. 69a say to Mr. 69a? "Does this stock make me look target?"

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Old 11-20-2011, 03:07 PM
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It appears they are all a different overall length. Is there a definate length in inches we can use as a reference other than stubby, squared off or slim?

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I don't know if this applies to all stocks of these patterns, but here are the measurements on mine, taken from the heel of the stock to the tip of the nose of the stock:

"Slim" 29.25"

"Target" 29.15"

"Stubby" 28.0"

John
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Old 11-20-2011, 05:58 PM
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I guess the other way to look at it is, does anyone have an extra "target" or "match" stock laying around? LOL
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