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Marlin 60 & 795 Trigger Work...

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121K views 88 replies 48 participants last post by  GuitarmanNick  
#1 · (Edited)
Wanted to add a disclaimer.

Note: First, any work performed on your rifle is at your own risk, I'm posting this as a guide to what has worked on mine. Your results may vary depending on the condition of other parts (hammer, springs etc.). Any work performed on your rifle will of course void the warranty as well. You should also be aware that any modifications to the sear and/or hammer can result in an unsafe condition.

I decided to put all the pictures and instructions of my trigger work in one place.

Using a crude, weights & hook style pull gauge, the trigger pull on my 60 was over 7-lbs even after a few thousand rounds fired, it also had pre-travel, a little sear creep and some over-travel. Not the worst trigger ever but after shooting my other rifles and handguns with triggers 4-lbs or less it was time for a change.

I tried adjusting/bending the springs, (sear, trigger & disconnector) and the results were okay but the rifle was unreliable, especially after 100-150 rounds. So I replaced all the springs and looked towards the sear and hammer.

Before you get started, I suggest buying a new sear if you decide to try this method, you can use it as a guide to gauge your work and it will be good insurance if you damage the original sear. Same thing goes for the hammer if you make any changes to it other than just polishing.

In photo #1 you'll see a toolmaker's vise with a Marlin 60/795 sear clamped in and the ultra-fine triangle shaped stone on the sear surface using the left edge of the vise as a guide. I put a piece of clear packing tape on the vise where the stone is riding to keep the stone from grinding on the vice. This stone can be used to polish the hammer hook on the hammer.

When clamping the sear, you want to keep the factory sear angle flat, level and parallel with the top surface of the vise. The end result we be a new sear angle that mates to the hammer cleanly.

The height of the sear in the vise will change the angle of your work, as you raise the sear in the vise (yellow arrow) your trigger will get lighter because you're reducing the angle of hammer engagement. Be careful, if you raise the sear too high the hammer hooks will not hold. The rifle may become full-auto if the hammer fails to lock.

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Photo #2 shows me taking a height measurement of .305" with the depth gauge on a set of Brown & Sharpe 6" dial calipers. The calipers you see in the background are some 4" china knock-offs, they work if I keep them adjusted, but the Brown & Sharpe are much nicer.

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Photo #3 shows the direction (red arrow) I used to cut the sear, the only reason I chose this direction was because of the narrow stone. It was all I had in fine or ultra fine. If you have a stone wider than the sear surface you can cut in the direction of the yellow arrows.

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Photo #4-A is a crude drawing of what the sear looked like before (left) and after (center). You do not have to cut a new angle on the entire sear surface area, the hammer hook is not deep enough to use the whole surface. Cutting just half was more than enough on my rifle. Photo's 4-B through 4-D are updated pics of a freshly worked sear.

The far right image shows where the face of the sear was reduced with the same stone. This is only recommended if you have excessive sear creep, Marlin uses less than a third of the sear surface (photos #5 yellow arrow, & #6) to start with and if you remove too much the sear is worthless. All I removed was about .005" from this area.

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In pictures #5 and 6 you can see the sear and hammer are fully engaged, it looks like only about 25% of the sear surface is catching the hammer hook.

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Image #7 is another crude drawing, this is the hammer profile.

There wasn't much to do with the hammer, polishing the sear engagement surface was about it. You can reduce sear creep by stoning the nose if it's needed, but work slowly, about .002-.003" then test fire. If you remove too much the hammer will not lock.

Do not remove any metal from the area below the hammer hook, if you do this will increase the amount of sear creep.

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The picture below shows the results of the trigger pull gauge after the work was finished. It took four sessions with the stone and test firing at the range to achieve the sub 3-lb trigger pull.

Using the tools above your first attempt should give you a trigger pull just over 4-lbs, that's what mine was. I just raised the sear a bit, worked it again, then test fired until I got the 2-lb 10-oz trigger pull seen below. Just work slowly and test fire the rifle each time you change the sear.

Unfortunately I didn't have the trigger pull gauge before the sear work, so I don't have a before trigger pull image. I'll order a new sear and hammer soon to install and get a factory, unmodified reading posted later.

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Currently my Model 60 has a DIP target trigger, the new angle on the sear, the hammer and sear matting surfaces are polished with 1200 grit sand paper and I shaved about .005" off the face of the sear. (see pic #4 far right, red image) The springs are less than 6 months old, most are factory replacements with the exception of the J&P hammer and recoil spring kit.

The result is a trigger that's smooth, breaks clean just under 2-lbs 10-oz and has zero pre-travel thanks to the set screw in the DIP trigger. The over-travel was never much of an issue with me, but if you would like to reduce yours the DIP trigger guards are drilled and tapped for a trigger stop screw or you can drill and tap you factory trigger guard.

Tool list used for the sear work detailed above, plus the tools needed to break down the action:

Norton ultra-fine triangle shaped stone (any fine or ultra-fine stone will work)
Set of dial caliper, 4" or 6" is fine
Lyman trigger pull gauge, 0-12-lbs part #7832248
One 2" tool makers vise, can be purchased from e-Bay or Shars. (china knock-off, but works)

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#6 ·
I am really glad that this subject is still "hot" as I am getting ready to perform this task myself very soon. I recieved some new springs yesterday from Brownell's (two days!)and a DIP drop-in trigger on Tuesday(ordered on Saturday. WOW!) and the J&P spring kit is on the way as I write this. I grabbed a vise off of e-bay a couple weeks ago and all I need now is the stone which I think I can borrow. I really appreciate what Eric0424 has done for all of us; not just for the sake of the present project but for encouraging some of us to get deeper into gunsmithing in general by his example. He is obviously a Hot-rodder at heart. Anyway, I do have a question regarding that little set-screw on the DIP trigger. Does this screw need to be "locked" with a drop of Lock-Tite? Their screw is very short and with so few threads engaged in that soft aluminum, I wonder if it will get sloppy or loosen after some use. I think I would prefer a longer screw so that all the threads are engaged. any thoughts on that, anyone? I dunno, maybe it's time to invest in an allen screw assortment.
 
#7 ·
Thanks guys, I think knowledge like this should be shared with anyone willing to do the work on their own rifles and handguns.



I would recommend a drop of lock-tite on the set screw, and if you prefer one a little longer they are 6-32 thread and can be purchased at Home Depot, Tractor Supply etc. or on-line at Fastenal and Enco.
 
#8 ·
Yeah, I think I will get a longer one and maybe put a little something on the threads too. It just makes sense to me to use all of the thread since there is so little to begin with. I believe in over-building things mechanical since I've spent much of my life fixing stuff that's broken. I tried to communicate my thoughts on this screw thing to DIP via their e-mail system and my messages got rejected. I don't know why that happened but you just saved me a phone call. Thanks again.
 
#9 ·
new sear needed

So... I managed to take off a bit too much on my sear... I didn't have quite the perfect equipment or tools for the mod, but tried to make it work:rolleyes:. I did take my time, and quite honestly, the trigger pull is now beautiful, but it's no longer user friendly or safe to say the least:mad: Where's the best place to get a new sear? Not much comes up on the search.
 
#10 ·
So... I managed to take off a bit too much on my sear... I didn't have quite the perfect equipment or tools for the mod, but tried to make it work:rolleyes:. I did take my time, and quite honestly, the trigger pull is now beautiful, but it's no longer user friendly or safe to say the least:mad: Where's the best place to get a new sear? Not much comes up on the search.
It happens, I've got a sear right here that was under 1# trigger pull but it won't lock the hammer back safely anymore. I just kept trimming this one until it stopped working safely, it seems 2-2-1/2 lbs is a safe place to stop on the Marlin 60/795 set-up

Numrich still has the sear in stock, Midway and Brownells seem to be on back-order for the sear. I would order two if you plan on working another one.

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=444210C&catid=11759
 
#13 · (Edited)
Eric,

Your tutorial was invaluable. I followed your steps outlining polishing the sear in picture #4 (middle (4b if you will)). I have a tool makers vice like yours and bought an Arkansas polishing stone like the one in your pictures for about $8. After 2 polishing sessions with a reassembly and shooting session in between the trigger is now perfect. Final result is about a 3lb pull with no creep and it holds safe. Your posting combined with ArrowDodger's PPT presentation allowed me to make this rifle better than I hoped.

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Thank you,
Scott

PS. I have two more tips for those of you wishing to follow these great instructions
1. Polish the top of the sear (where it engages with the hammer hook) before you begin to cut the angle.
2. Mark the top of the sear with a sharpie black marker so that as you polish the angle you can visually monitor the material that is being removed (it goes from black to shiny.)
 
#15 ·
Kudos for Eric

Thanks Eric!! I just finished working on my new to me 7000. The action differs a bit from the 60 but it was a piece of cake.

Of course I forgot to paper clip the hammer spring, so as long as it was out I dremeled one and a half coils off of it before assembly.

Polished all the parts and put a dab of copper anti-seize on all applicable areas.

Did the sear work as you described, and slightly bent the sear spring to relieve some pressure as it rests on the magazine disconnector pin.

Did the floppy spring trigger as well as a JB weld. The JB Weld was surprising as I had to sand off almost as much as I had added. It really doesn't take much JB Weld to eliminate the creep. This required at least five steps of disassembly, assembly and test.

I just took a water in the jug, fishing line trigger pull test. I finally settled on an amount of water in the jug that would repeat a dry fire without jerking six times. To my amazement when I weighed the jug it weighed 1 pound and seven ounces!!!!!! (Checked for bump fire and it's perfect)

Can't wait for the Evolution stock and Mueller 8X25X44 that are on their way to me.
 
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#18 ·
Hey all, new guy here.

I read through this entire post and learned alot. I didn't see any videos about a Marlin 795 Trigger Job so I made a video series that shows what I did. I couldn't have done it without all your help.

My trigger is now at 2.5 lbs (or some might say 40 oz) and it feels smooth and crisp.

Let me know what you think. Thanks.

 
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Just watched these vids and I will be doing some of these mods, thanks for taking the mystery out of the sideplate breakdown ;). I created a playlist to save these, much appreciated sir! My fairly new 795 will be getting some work, my older 60 would benefit some, but after 20yrs it's got a pretty nice trigger already :)
 
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My question is what is your opinion of this kit? Too costly? Don't trust/believe it? Too complicated, etc?? Great idea?? Go ahead and be brutally honest.
Thanks!
ELCAR
That's good a idea. Price is ok but if you only charged .99 cents to ship and threw them in a bubble envelope I think you would do well with them.
Heck, I might even be your first customer. :D

Side note: You have pics of a lower receiver and a TG. Best to emphasize in the notes in BOLD " Auction is for springs only!"
 
#28 ·
After putting over 500 rounds through my 795 its time to lighten the trigger.

Great information on the site, the videos and pics are perfect. I have never done any trigger work and this makes me feel pretty confident that I can get it done. I think I will still order a new sear and hammer just in case:bthumb:

I have found several types of fine stones ebay/amazon etc ranging from $8 to $100. Does the type matter? There is a triangular jewlers stone on ebay for $8 that looks like it will do the trick
 
#35 · (Edited)
After putting over 500 rounds through my 795 its time to lighten the trigger.

Great information on the site, the videos and pics are perfect. I have never done any trigger work and this makes me feel pretty confident that I can get it done. I think I will still order a new sear and hammer just in case:bthumb:

I have found several types of fine stones ebay/amazon etc ranging from $8 to $100. Does the type matter? There is a triangular jewlers stone on ebay for $8 that looks like it will do the trick
Most any stone will work, I do recommend fine stones as it helps create a smooth finish while your working.

The stone I used was a Norton Ultra Fine triangle purchased though Midway USA. This particular stone polished as it removed the metal and will take longer to get the work done. I chose it to help reduce the likely hood of removing too much from the sear. I also know and trust Norton, their products have been in my garage for years.

However, any brand or flat shape (square, rectangle etc.) of stone will work and the Extra-Fine, fine or medium stones will work faster but the surface will be a little rough and it is easier to remove too much sear surface and ruin the sear. Although, if you're careful with the medium or coarser stones, you can always polish the sear surface when you've finished changing the sear angle.
 
#31 ·
I did a little google on some trigger over travel stops for the 795 and nothing really came up except for some new trigger set ups.

I have seen over travel stops where there is a set screw in the trigger guard, a set screw in the trigger, one of the guys in my unit back in the day used to glue a pencil eraser to the trigger guard of his M9. We mocked him constantly, but he swore by it

Seems to me that putting a set screw through the trigger guard might be the easiest with the plastic housing. A little JB weld and lock tite would probably hold it all nicely

I am sure I am not the first one, does anybody have any pics?

Chuck
 
#34 ·
Wow, just read through the 60 adjustment sticky and it was FULL of really good information, There were some great pics of the set screw. I was wondering how high up on the trigger guard to put it, and now I know

I just checked my trigger pull and it is over 8lbs stock. I think I will work the sear and hammer a little as well as install a set screw and see where that gets me.

I am not looking for perfection, just a crisper pull