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Old MKII/93 Vs. New E-Receiver with Pictures

29K views 39 replies 23 participants last post by  dtalbot  
#1 · (Edited)
Lately there have been a few threads asking about identifying the new or old MKII and 93 actions. Savage used to make two different receivers/actions. One for the MKII (.22lr or .17hm2) and one for the 93 series guns (.22mag or .17hmr). Sometime in the past year or so Savage started making the "E-Receiver". The e-receiver is now used for all of the 4 common rimfire calibers. Here are some pictures that show the past and present guns.

The top gun is an old style MKII F in .22lr. The bottom gun is an e-receiver MKII F in .22lr. Some of the changes are:
*The e-receiver is 7 3/4" long vs 7 1/8" for the old MKII and 93 receivers.
*The ejection port is roughly 1.66" long on the e-receiver vs. 1.39" long for the old MKII receiver. The old 93 receivers had a 1.6" long ejection port.
*The e-receiver has a gas escape hole on either side, just forward of the bolt. The old MKII receivers did not have this hole but the old 93 receivers did.
*The trigger groups, mag wells, pillars/holds downs, and associated brackets are all different.
*The e-receivers are drilled and tapped for scope mounts. The older MKII F was grooved for tip-off scope rings. The more expensive versions of the old receivers were drilled and tapped for scope mounts.
*There are two barrel retaining pins in the e-receiver guns. The older guns only had one pin.

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Here is a quick picture of a old style action from a Savage Striker pistol. This action only has one hold down/pillar. I believe that some of the older rifles were like this also.

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E-receiver barrel is on the left, old MKII barrel on the right. Both new and old MKII F barrels both measure 0.68_" in diameter but have slightly different cuts near the chamber.

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Old MKII action is on top and the e-receiver is on the bottom. This particular old MKII receiver is a left hand action from a Striker pistol. Notice the difference in receiver length and ejection port length. The older MKIIs had a shorter ejection port than the older 93s and the e-receiver guns. For some reason Savage changed the scope base mounting hole spacing on the Strikers. Unless they are modified, the one-piece scope bases that are currently on the market won't line up with the Striker's scope base mounting holes. The old style MKII and 93 rifles should have the same scope base mounting hole spacing as the e-receiver guns.

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Old MKII action is on top and the e-receiver is on the bottom. This particular old MKII receiver was not an F and is a left hand action. The mounting holes and cuts are totally different. The mag well cut out on the e-receiver is sized for the .22mag/.17hmr magazines even though this gun is a .22lr.

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The e-receiver on the left has a strange bevel inside of the receiver where the barrel slides in. The old receivers did not have this.

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The top gun is a older .17hmr gun with the Accutrigger. The middle receiver is an older, left hand MKII action. The bottom is the e-receiver. The old style MKII and 93 actions are the same length. The e-receiver is about 5/8" longer than the old actions.

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The top gun shows the old Accutrigger (maybe the same as the e-receiver Accutrigger???). The trigger in the lower left is the non-Accutrigger from a e-receiver gun. The lower right is an old style non-Accutrigger. The e-receiver non-Accutrigger looks very similar to the Accutrigger.

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The top bolt is from an old style, left hand, MKII gun. The middle bolt is from an old style 93 action. The bottom bolt is from the e-receiver gun.

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In this picture, the e-receiver stock is on the top and the old style MKII/93 stock is on the bottom. They are both marked for the MKII and 93 actions. The e-receiver stock has raised contact points where the pillars/hold downs are. The inletting for the trigger group is a little different and the safety cut-out is a little larger on the e-receiver stock. I'm wondering if, with a few modifications, the stocks could be swapped.

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Heavy barreled guns have an easy way to tell the old style from the e-receiver. The old style receivers had heavy barrels that were the same diameter as the receiver for the first four inches. After that the barrel steps down to about 0.80" and stays that diameter all the way to the muzzle. The e-receiver guns have heavy barrels that are one diameter (around .80") all the way from the receiver to the muzzle.

The top picture is an old style MKII BV. The bottom picture is a e-receiver gun with a heavy barrel (and Accutrigger). Thanks to cwa11is for the picture!

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Unfortunately I don't have an example of all past and present Savage guns so there may be small details that differ. Please let me know if you have anything to add to this write up! I didn't discover all of these changes. I just thought it would be good to document them.
 
#2 ·
Nice set of pics! Did the new gun give up it's barrel easy enough? (Did it take much pounding to get it out?)

Just wanted to add I have started doing a shim trigger job on an E receiver(non accutrigger) and it seems to be going well.
 
#3 ·
Thanks oltmann! The e-receiver barrel did come out easily. There are two pins holding the barrel in. The rear one is solid and the front is a roll pin. Its a little strange but the front hold down/pillar can't be removed until the roll pin is knocked out. Then knock out the rear solid pin. My barrel was a fairly easy slip fit. I can insert and remove it easily. The old MKIIs that I have removed the barrel from have been VERY tight and required alot of pounding.

Make sure and share your trigger shim info in the trigger shim thread! I know that it will help people!

I updated some small details in the original post and added pictures of the stock inletting.
 
#5 ·
Thanks PRES! I'm glad it helped.

I just added a couple of more pictures. Does anyone have a picture of an e-receiver gun with a heavy barrel? We need a picture that shows that the e-receiver guns don't have a step in the barrel.
 
#13 ·
What is the difference in mounting screw distances from the old recievers to the new E-reciever? I am looking at getting a new stock and was trying to visuallize how far off I would be if I were to get a stock cut for an E-receiver. I'm hoping it is close enough that a new hole could be driller to the right distance but large in diameter to fit a pillar down and the diameter of the pillar will be enough the entire original hole is removed rather than just having to oval the hole out. I would much rather it look right than like something bubba made.
 
#17 ·
I have a MKIIg I got in April. It has the new e-receiver. I had the stock off and started to tighten the receiver screws when I put it back together and the screw heads started sinking into the wood. Not good I thought and loosened them back up. I just left them snug until I was able to order a FAT torque wrench. As a precaution, I put a flat washer under each hex head, and as I recall I have torqued the bolts to about 20 inch pounds. What have y'all found to be about right for the wood stocked rifles. I also free floated the barrel. It was only slightly touching, maybe, but it was real difficult to get a dollar bill to slide down the stock under the barrel. Again, have you found free floating best? That is what I have always done with my center fire rifles. Has anyone tried a pad on the forend? Thanks for any ideas and solutions in advance. VH
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#19 ·
Bigstump, most of the barrels in this thread are OEM Savage barrels but there are a couple of pictures where you can just barely see a Tactical Solutions barrel. It was a custom rebarrel job that uses a 10/22 barrel that has been machined. There is a great thread on here that you should search for. Use the advanced search and search for "rebarrel" in the Savage section. Tons of good info.
 
#20 ·
Yea I thought that was a 10/22 tac solutions. I read that thread and I'm really interested in doing that. Do you, or anyone else for that matter, know if its possible to order a heavy barrel replacement from Savage and just drop it in?
 
#21 ·
I don't know if Savage will sell you a barrel or not. Its possible that it might be expensive. There might be some guys that have removed their barrels and might want to sell them. It is also possible that those barrels could be damaged when they were removed. An aftermarket barrel could be easier/cheaper for you.
 
#22 ·
I've looked for aftermarket barrels and I haven't had any luck finding one. And if anybody out there does have a heavy barrel they'd like to get rid of let me know or if you know where I can get a good aftermarket one that won't break the bank.
 
#24 · (Edited)
This thread has been a great source of information as I was unaware Savage had changed their MkII actions.

I have a .22LR MkII GL (left handed) purchased in May 2006. It has the older style receiver and is grooved for dovetail scope mounts. The serial # is 0658XXX if that helps anyone with the manufacture date

I just purchased a brand new ,22LR MkII BTVLS. The gun is new but came with a 2008 Savage catalog in the box so I'm not sure exactly when it was made. The serial number is 1222XXX if that dates it. Anyway, it has the new e-receiver as all of the dimensional and detail differences between the two rifles match the description in the OP.

Fortunately, despite the receiver changes, Savage kept the same magazines and they do interchange between both guns. My GL came with a 10-round magazine and I bought three extra 5-round mags for it so now I have 5 magazines that fit either rifle.
 
#25 · (Edited)
Great post. Thank you for taking the time to do it.
Having retired as a gunsmith over 6 years ago, a lot of this is new to me.
I just got my first savage and have been learning a great deal from the many posts.

I used to do a lot of repair work on the older one's, but back then most people were not interested in accurizing work on the Savage .22's. They were just more of a plinking, keep in the truck gun. The 10-22 was always the gun people wanted accurizied.

I'd really like to see the new Savage rimfires be the new guns to accurize and shoot the pants of the 10-22's. It will take a little more work, the Ruger have a big head start and have all the aftermarket things made for them. With the Savage, it's a pretty much do it yourself thing. That makes it more fun anyway. Anyone can order parts for the Ruger and make a shooter. It takes work and thought on the Savage, I kind of like that.

I just want to say thanks to all who have posted some great info. I have always made it a point to learn something new every day about firearms if possible. I've picked up a great deal lately, thanks to all :bthumb:

Best Regards, John K
 
#26 ·
I'd really like to see the new Savage rimfires be the new guns to accurize and shoot the pants of the 10-22's. It will take a little more work, the Ruger have a big head start and have all the aftermarket things made for them........ Anyone can order parts for the Ruger and make a shooter.
It will take a lot for anything to "shoot the pants of the 10-22" since the really good ones have set the accuracy bar so high there is very little left to improve. However, I'd like to see Savages that can shoot in the same leage with much less expence.

As you mentioned the 10-22 has a huge headstart in the aftermarket. In fact it's entirely possible (if quite expensive) to build a "10-22" that contains not one part made by Ruger. I hope Savage rifles never gets quite that far from being real Savages.
 
#28 ·
Savage MK2 TR

Hi,

I've just ordered a Savage MK2 TR and I'm looking to put a 1913 spec Picatinny rail on it. At the moment I'm eyeing up the EGW rails, I've never had any experience with these, what are peoples thoughts on the product?

Unfortunately, my TR is not turning up for a few weeks yet and I don't want to wait till it turns up to order the rail (since it will also take a few weeks to come from the USA).

If you had to make an educated guess, which base should I get, one for a 1 5/8 or for a 1 3/8 ejection port?

I do know that it is coming from the factory drilled and tapped for mounts, so I'm suspecting its either a 93 action or more likely an 'E' receiver...
That being the case, I believe I should be looking at a 1 5/8 ejection port (or in other words a rail for a 93 action)....is that correct?
 
#29 ·
I have the EGW rail on a Savage Model 16 short action centerfire and am very impressed with its quality.

Since your MkII is a new one I believe it will take the 93/E-receiver version with the 1-5/8" ejection port. My new .22LR MkII BTVLS has that length port.
 
#31 ·
Excellent post.

Thankyou for taking the time and effort to produce it.

John K