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Old 02-10-2017, 09:24 AM
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Setting up some 4H airguns for the Air Pistol silhouette game.

What are some good airgun rated scopes for this game?

FWIW:
chickens- 10 yards
pigs- 12.5 yards
turkeys- 15 yards
rams- 18 yards

Ideally we'll set these scopes up with an adjustable sidewheel with marks for each animal and the kids will just verify zero with some sighters and then begin practice. These will be "set it and forget it" scope/pistol combinations. They'll shoot open sights with an entirely different gun.

The existing guns we have that we'll mount these on will be Crosman Silhouette Pistols and possibly Air Arms Alpha Proj pistols. Both are PCP pistols.

No limits on the scopes. The kids just need to keep their arms/hands away from their bodies. A taco hold on the top of the scope with an air rifle scope is acceptable.

Recommendations?
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Old 02-13-2017, 10:28 PM
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Any pistol scope that will focus to 10 yds will do on a PCP.

"Airgun rated" scopes are designated as such because they hold up to the recoil of spring-powered airguns.
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The kids should have a ball. We have a very active group that shoots air pistol silhouette every Wednesday morning with two shooters per animal bank and every thing from a Daisy 747 to Steyer LP50 or the silhouette model. The Crossman PCP is very popular, but there are more Izzy 46Ms than anything. 95% of the shooters, we are old folks, use a red dot of some sort and DO NOT change sight setting between animals. Every thing other than the Daisy is flat enough for one sight setting, except for the paper target at 18ft. That gets about 8 clicks down on most scopes. We used to have the animals on stands and had to walk down to reset them. Now we have pull string resettables and have cut about 10 to 15 minutes off the relay time. No more talking as the targets get reset. Ha! Any and all red dot scopes work well and there are a few regular scope all so. Use very low power. Word of warning. One of our shooters had his IZZY 46 break mid string so another shooter loaned him another IZZY 46. However the scope on the loaner was way forward and the shooter did not realize this fact. When he griped the gun with his hand on top the scope like normal, his little finger was in front of the muzzle. Yes, a IZZY will drive a pellet completely through a finger side ways. He was awarded a red painted pellet at the end of season awards ceremony. Have fun and there are several other games the kids can play with the air pistols. Check out the short range match at the air rifle site on this forum. Easy to do and fun. Scopes and two handed hold are allowed for this match.
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Setting up some 4H airguns for the Air Pistol silhouette game.

What are some good airgun rated scopes for this game?

FWIW:
chickens- 10 yards
pigs- 12.5 yards
turkeys- 15 yards
rams- 18 yards

Ideally we'll set these scopes up with an adjustable sidewheel with marks for each animal and the kids will just verify zero with some sighters and then begin practice. These will be "set it and forget it" scope/pistol combinations. They'll shoot open sights with an entirely different gun.

The existing guns we have that we'll mount these on will be Crosman Silhouette Pistols and possibly Air Arms Alpha Proj pistols. Both are PCP pistols.

No limits on the scopes. The kids just need to keep their arms/hands away from their bodies. A taco hold on the top of the scope with an air rifle scope is acceptable.

Recommendations?
Hi Air, Why over complicate things for you and the kids; just stick with the open sights.

When my twin sons were 11 years old, they set up silhouette targets at the proscribed

distances and were able to hit and knock over all the targets. they were using an HW 70

barrel cocking spring pistol. they also were holding the HW 70 at arms length with one hand.

Nowadays I have a 10 meter pistol target course in the back yard with an air pistol

Silhouette swinger target set up at each official distance(10-18 yards). When I

get a bit stale with the 10M AP training, I take a 5 minute break and then take up

a stance for the ground level silhouette targets. I've hit all the swingers with

various air pistols ranging from an old Marksman 2004, Gamo Compact,

a bunch of old FEG Co2 match APs, and an FWB mod 100 and a more updated

Steyr LP-1C. All my shooting is one handed, and in no case is a scope necessary.

Let the kids figure out that they will have to hold a bit over or under on each animal

silhouette. Best of luck;

Tony
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Old 02-26-2017, 12:09 AM
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Hi Air, Why over complicate things for you and the kids; just stick with the open sights.
Thanks for the insights.

The way our 4H Texas State Games are set up there are two air pistol silhouette events, one any sights and one open sights. So if others will be shooting with optics there is no reason to disadvantage the kids by shooting open sights in the optics class.
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Airborn -

Thank you for your service.

I am involved in 4-H in Virginia and recently completed my Pistol Instructor Certification. My 11 year old shoots both pistol and small-bore rifle and is practicing for his 1st match this season.

Our matches are very similar and I have been setting up a few new club air pistols and going through the same search - the need for a decent, affordable air pistol scope.

I have used entry level Red-Dot sights and they will work, but a pistol scope would be better I think and offers advantages:
  • Longer eye relief
  • Magnification
  • Bigger Fun Factor

This may especially be beneficial for youth and they will experience more success and enjoyment, which will hopefully set them in a positive journey in shooting sports. And success breads success as I have come to learn.

Here are the top pistol scopes I have looked at so far:

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Leaper...ver_Rings/5817

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/BSA_2x...ex_Reticle/657

http://www.crosman.com/2x-pistol-sco...catinny-mounts

We have several Crosman 2300 S and a Beeman's P17 that I plan to test them on.

While the Leapers UTG offers a better range of magnification, I think Crosman is of interests to start with. I like the BSA Recital and have BSAs on Sweet 22 and a 223 Tactile on a few of my guns.

There are some valuable comments in the reviews. Others here, may have valuable insight as well.

I plan to price shop them.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks for the post and Tight Groups,
Frodo9
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Old 04-03-2017, 06:21 AM
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fyi - I picked up this one at "stuffmart" (walmart) online with free shipping for about $37 total. It should be in this week:

http://www.crosman.com/2x-pistol-sco...catinny-mounts

I plan to mount it on a 2300 S, sight it in and let the youth and the club use it for silhouette practice next weekend. I will let you know how it goes...

Frodo.
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I'm probably gonna get flamed for this, but when I competed in (rimfire & centerfire) metallic silhouette, we used rifle (yes, rifle) scopes, with a reverse taco hold.



The offhand grips the scope from the top, thumb along the tube pointing straight back, pinkie closest to the ocular. Rarely would anyone try it with a semi auto, but I've seen it with the scope set back. You turn your body as if shooting a rifle, point your thumb STRAIGHT back, along the tube (not around) & you'll be surprised how steady you can be.
I don't know Airgun Metallic Silhouette rules, but in the powder burning variety, your pistol would be legal in Hunters Pistol & Unlimited Standing classes, both or which allow optics.
A rookie can handle 2 1/2 power pretty quickly. I shot 2 1/2x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 3-9x and my favorite, 12x, all rifle scopes. I've used a 16x & a 6.5 - 20x in Unlimited Standing, but prefer a 12power for pistol. (& 16 power for a rifle). This refers to Metallic Silhouette only.
The guy farthest away in the top picture has the best form, but he's using a high rise mount, looks like about a 5 incher.
Here's another view, with the shooter more "stretched out". The more stretched out you are, the steadier most people are, but if you use a mount with too much "forward" you'll need a barrel extension to avoid accidents!!



The more stretched out you are, the steadier most people are, but if you use a mount with too much "forward" you'll need a barrel extension to avoid accidents!!

Here's an Anschutz Exemplar rimfire with a high rise mount, a 4 - 16 Weaver and a barrel extension.

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