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Getting close to the start of the local ARA league season up here. I have a question of folks who like and shoot Lapua Center-X. I know you can get lots ranging from 325 m/s through 330 m/s. That is assuming the buzz that the first two digits in the lot number are in fact the last two digits in their speed. 25xxx = 325, 26xxx = 326, 27xxx = 327, etc. Has anyone ever compared those numbers side by side over an actual chrony to see how they compare?

I'm faced with at least starting the league season with the remaining 328 m/s (1076 fps) Center-X that I have on hand. My first two outings left me feeling that despite the box of Wolf ME I had, shooting very good, the Center-X did not and I'm wondering if the speed is the issue. I do know that cases of 325 m/s (1066 fps) Center-X sold out long before the faster lots. I have no idea what speed Wolf ME shoots at. I know that I've never seen it sold by lot speeds.

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Getting close to the start of the local ARA league season up here. I have a question of folks who like and shoot Lapua Center-X. I know you can get lots ranging from 325 m/s through 330 m/s. That is assuming the buzz that the first two digits in the lot number are in fact the last two digits in their speed. 25xxx = 325, 26xxx = 326, 27xxx = 327, etc. Has anyone ever compared those numbers side by side over an actual chrony to see how they compare?

I'm faced with at least starting the league season with the remaining 328 m/s (1076 fps) Center-X that I have on hand. My first two outings left me feeling that despite the box of Wolf ME I had, shooting very good, the Center-X did not and I'm wondering if the speed is the issue. I do know that cases of 325 m/s (1066 fps) Center-X sold out long before the faster lots. I have no idea what speed Wolf ME shoots at. I know that I've never seen it sold by lot speeds.

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Hoot
Hoot,
I don't own a chrony but here is what I have experience, my rifles all which have a chamber that is optimized for Lapua shoots best with lots that are in the 327 & 328 range, with 327 being the best. which is 1072 fps & 1076 fps I have some X-act which is 326 which doesn't shoot very good compared to the C-X I got from the test center.
even Darrell the test manager thought it odd as we tried some 324 and I told him before the first shot it wouldn't shoot and it didn't. he pointed out that it was only 10 fps difference. 329 doesn't shoot well also.
my advice is test and buy what range of speed shoots the best.
IMO crony results will show any variation in speed between lots but it all comes down to which one shoots best, for me what I see on paper is more important then what I would see on a screen.

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Old 04-09-2017, 04:17 PM
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Thanks Lee. Of course, it always gets down to what the rifle likes and what the luck of the draw deals you with lots. The rifle I'm using was just re-barelled and I requested it be chambered for Lapua as well. They have phenomenal adherence to tolerances unlike the Eley Match I've checked. That having been said, if your rifle prefers Eley, it doesn't matter how well the Lapua is made. Never tried going the other way though. My first 3 years of "po mans" BR shooting, I used a Cooper TRP I bought second hand for a steal and it without a doubt, preferred Eley Match. I had always thought they were chambered for Lapua but mine did not like the SK+, Wolf ME or Center-X like it did the Eley.

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Thanks Lee. Of course, it always gets down to what the rifle likes and what the luck of the draw deals you with lots. The rifle I'm using was just re-barelled and I requested it be chambered for Lapua as well. They have phenomenal adherence to tolerances unlike the Eley Match I've checked. That having been said, if your rifle prefers Eley, it doesn't matter how well the Lapua is made. Never tried going the other way though. My first 3 years of "po mans" BR shooting, I used a Cooper TRP I bought second hand for a steal and it without a doubt, preferred Eley Match. I had always thought they were chambered for Lapua but mine did not like the SK+, Wolf ME or Center-X like it did the Eley.

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Hoot,

Please post your results with the new barrel. I know others have being using chambers for Lapua, but it seems I am the only one posting about the results.
I would also be interested if your chamber that was done for Lapua engraves the bullet.
none of mines seems to show any engraving.

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Please post your results with the new barrel. I know others have being using chambers for Lapua, but it seems I am the only one posting about the results.
I would also be interested if your chamber that was done for Lapua engraves the bullet.
none of mines seems to show any engraving.

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Will do Lee.
FWIW, when I chamber Center-X they engrave down halfway between the 1st and 2nd cannelure in the bullet. Definitely does not make it to the 2nd. Not sure where in the big picture of rimfire chambers that falls. I know for a fact that Brian (my smith) did not have a "Lapua Specific" reamer. He told me he used a Winchester 52 Match reamer. That's all I know.

Looking at it with the borescope, it was executed as well as I would expect. Little to no step marks. Much smoother than my early 57M TRP chamber. The steps in it looked like a Unibit, just on a macroscopic level. The Wolf and SK as you would expect, engraves to the same midway point as the Center-X.

Sure wish we had a tunnel in town to test in.

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Four days and counting to league opener! I'm ready...I'm ready!
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Got the 328 CX dialed in much better than the last outing.

Got enough of the current lot of 328 CX to last the entire season with 1 extra box per match for sighters and a handful of boxes for practice.

Now, just got to get a drummers throne. Made it the last three seasons using an adjustable height office chair. Hard to get it close to the table due to it having 5 long legs. Going to look at a used Roc-N-Soc tomorrow after work. One of the other league shooters uses one and he let me sit on it. Seems pretty stable and comfortable. Almost snagged a like new Pork Pie but hesitated too long and missed out on it. Not totally heart broken as zebra stripes and metal flake never were my style.

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Good Luck with the season opener!
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Luck did not go so well.

Sunday's Forecast for Thursday: 56 degrees and NW wind 5-10
Monday's Forecast for Thursday: 54 degrees and NW wind 5-10
Tuesday's Forecast for Thursday: 52 degrees and NW wind 10-15
Wednesday's Forecast for Thursday: 49 degrees and NW wind 10-15 Gusts to 25
The actual weather at kickoff: 42 degrees and wind in excess of 15. Our three berm range faces NNW. The wind comes in and swirls inside the berm. I had flags flipping from L-R to R-L as fast as you could reach for the trigger and my tails were between 45 deg and straight out. Could not find a reliable aiming solution to save my life. The few minutes where the wind died down somewhat, rewarded me with easy 100's, but they were few and far between. My scores reflected that. Only one of the four cards made it into the 2xxx range.

I can honestly say that I can not fault the hardware. Otherwise the 10-15 100's over the course of 4 cards (mostly the last one) would not have happened. Moreover, I am living testimony to the fact that optimistic exuberance gets trumped by crazy wind every time. I don't know how you pros turn in such great scores shooting outside in switching, strong winds. My hat's off to you and in my hand. I did indeed, highly enjoy just getting back out there on the firing line, despite hands so cold that they were cramping, numb feet and a runny nose. I shoot with a great group of guys. Most struggled also this afternoon, aside from the two who drew the tables in the "honey hole" leeward end of the line. Their flags barely moved. Luck of the draw. I've been on the receiving end of that as well, so I can't complain. Interestingly, this ratchet 4 groove barrel seemed to shoot the most predictably with the bullet rotating with the wind direction, unlike the conventional 6 groove TRP which historically shot more predictably when the bullet was rotating against the wind direction. That's just a feeling I got after one windy outing, so that can change.

Too early in the season to feel self-loathing. Just that early season awkward, nothing seemed to work, frustration. I was way too eager to get out and just shoot. Cost me in my ability to relax, observe and correct. The up side is I can only get better as the season progresses. Sadly, the next 3 days are supposed to be warm and calm. Anything but how it was today. At least that makes for a good weekend to get spring chores underway, while analyzing how to not make the same mistakes next league night in two weeks.

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Hoot,

Please post your results with the new barrel....snip...

Lee
Well Lee, the new brrel is certainly up to the challenge. Now its owner needs to catch up. Another League match behind me. I dropped back from the 5h harmonic (PRX) setup I used on the first match, to the 7th and despite the wind, which was less than the first match, not to mention the bone chilling 42 degrees of the first match was a comfortable 70 for the second. It took me half of the first card to get the shifting wind solutions figured out and I only posted a 1900. From there it was all up though, going to 2000, 2100 and finishing with a 2300. That hasn't happened since my good Eley Match that the TRP liked, ran out at the end of 2014. Quite the tonic for my self-doubt I finished last season with. Hopefully, I can continue to improve my wind reading and not waste half a card. It certainly was not for lack of sighters. They went very well. They just forgot to work once I moved back into the scoring part of the card.

Suffice it to say, the Winchester 52 Match reamer chamber is Lapua friendly. Each card had one of what I call a "Center-X" moment. Most of my 50s were my fault, but then there was that one that screams ***? Guess that's why Midas sells to the shooters with deeper pockets.

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Well Lee, the new brrel is certainly up to the challenge. Now its owner needs to catch up. Another League match behind me. I dropped back from the 5h harmonic (PRX) setup I used on the first match, to the 7th and despite the wind, which was less than the first match, not to mention the bone chilling 42 degrees of the first match was a comfortable 70 for the second. It took me half of the first card to get the shifting wind solutions figured out and I only posted a 1900. From there it was all up though, going to 2000, 2100 and finishing with a 2300. That hasn't happened since my good Eley Match that the TRP liked, ran out at the end of 2014. Quite the tonic for my self-doubt I finished last season with. Hopefully, I can continue to improve my wind reading and not waste half a card. It certainly was not for lack of sighters. They went very well. They just forgot to work once I moved back into the scoring part of the card.

Suffice it to say, the Winchester 52 Match reamer chamber is Lapua friendly. Each card had one of what I call a "Center-X" moment. Most of my 50s were my fault, but then there was that one that screams ***? Guess that's why Midas sells to the shooters with deeper pockets.

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Hoot glade it is shooting good, if you think about it the Win.52 when they came out only had round nose ammo to shoot with, so the chamber should shoot Lapua
vey well.
with C-X you going to see a flyer here and there, that is why it isn't Midas+ otherwise there are very good lots out there and being shipped here.

Thanks for the update,
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Lee, eley ammo chrony speed less than 1030 will shoot well with your chamber. problem is speeds that low are rare...marty
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Lee, eley ammo chrony speed less than 1030 will shoot well with your chamber. problem is speeds that low are rare...marty
How have you been Marty, That is very interesting what you are saying. does this have to do with forced deformation? Black box pistol has box speeds of less then 1030

I do know Lapua with speeds in the 324, 325,326 don't shoot well in any of my barrels. 327 is what shoots the best.

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Hoot/Lee,

For what little it's llikely worth.

I chrono'd two lots of Midas+, a yesterday, in my Falcon. I'm not positive what reamer was used , I bought the rifle used, but suspect an Eley type.
The ammo engraves completely through the first band and into the second. Not a heavy engraving but definitely visible to the naked eye.

The chrono info is:

Lot #25550- 520034 Calc speed=1066 Actual average speed(10 rounds)=1043

Lot #29550-56762 Calc speed=1079 Actual average speed(10 rounds)=1058

Lee,
Along with what Earnest is saying, Lapua Pistol King,@ 1007 shot the best of any ammo I've used in the Falcon rifle.
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Hoot/Lee,

For what little it's llikely worth.

I chrono'd two lots of Midas+, a yesterday, in my Falcon. I'm not positive what reamer was used , I bought the rifle used, but suspect an Eley type.
The ammo engraves completely through the first band and into the second. Not a heavy engraving but definitely visible to the naked eye.

The chrono info is:

Lot #25550- 520034 Calc speed=1066 Actual average speed(10 rounds)=1043

Lot #29550-56762 Calc speed=1079 Actual average speed(10 rounds)=1058

Lee,
Along with what Earnest is saying, Lapua Pistol King,@ 1007 shot the best of any ammo I've used in the Falcon rifle.
Bill,
You could very well be right about your Falcon's barrel, which if so the chamber leade most likely would be 2-degrees it should shoot both Eley and Lapua well.

However going by what Kevin Nevius has said about a 1.5-degree leade being the best to optimize shooting Lapua I have to agree my results confirms this, so trying to shoot Eley would make no sense for me especially with what I am seeing.

I do not think a slower speed would work for me. I have sone X-act 326 which doesn't even come close to my best lots all of which are 327 now 328 shoots good with some lots shooting really good. but from my testing 327 has yet to disappoint me and I am not sure why.

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Bill,
You could very well be right about your Falcon's barrel, which if so the chamber leade most likely would be 2-degrees it should shoot both Eley and Lapua well.

However going by what Kevin Nevius has said about a 1.5-degree leade being the best to optimize shooting Lapua I have to agree my results confirms this, so trying to shoot Eley would make no sense for me especially with what I am seeing.

I do not think a slower speed would work for me. I have sone X-act 326 which doesn't even come close to my best lots all of which are 327 now 328 shoots good with some lots shooting really good. but from my testing 327 has yet to disappoint me and I am not sure why.

Lee
I think all we ever know for sure is that every rifle has it's own likes and dislikes.
But I"m going to be on the lookout for some CenterX/Midas+ 327.
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