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Old 04-15-2017, 10:34 AM
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I have a 1948 Woodsman Sport model with the high speed mainspring/housing.
I don't shoot it a lot, but it's nice to not take out from time to time. My newer Rugers, etc. send most of my lead down range, but I've never adhered to the collector or safe queen philosophies.
That said, I though it might be a kindness to limit it to standard velocity ammo.
No go. Not enough "oomph" to throw the slide all the way back and so it (the slide) catches the rising round about mid-length resulting in a jam. This happens about 7 times out of 10. Wondered if I needed to clean my mags (It happens with both.)
but when I tried some junk h.v. ammo, Rem. Goldens and Rem. bulk lead, not a single jam.
Seems to be telling me that the mainspring is in good shape for h.v. ammo but I'm sure that many of you have far more experience with the early Colts than I and I'd appreciate you take on the situation?
Shoot h.v. and not worry about it? Limit use but still use h.v.? Other?
Thanks,
Rob
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Old 04-15-2017, 02:43 PM
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I have a 1948 that was doing that as well as failing to lock back after the last round sometimes. The gunsmith put new recoil and firing pin springs in it and it solved my problem. I don't know if other reasons cause it too.
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Old 04-15-2017, 03:28 PM
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It might be worth a try to give it a good thorough cleaning and lubrication.

It is also worth trying some of the speedier "Standard Velocity" cartridges. There is NO industry standard for "Standard Velocity" cartridges so each manufacturer decides what is or isn't for their brand. The ammo in the 1050 ~ 1070 fps range may not work your action but some between 1100 & 1200 fps may work it. SOME SV ammo WILL exceed the sound barrier which is roughly 1135 fps at sea level.
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Old 04-15-2017, 10:18 PM
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FWIW, my Colt did best with Winchester Super X HP in the white box.
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Old 04-16-2017, 12:05 AM
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I have a 1948 Woodsman Sport model with the high speed mainspring/housing.
I don't shoot it a lot, but it's nice to not take out from time to time. My newer Rugers, etc. send most of my lead down range, but I've never adhered to the collector or safe queen philosophies.
That said, I though it might be a kindness to limit it to standard velocity ammo.
No go. Not enough "oomph" to throw the slide all the way back and so it (the slide) catches the rising round about mid-length resulting in a jam. This happens about 7 times out of 10. Wondered if I needed to clean my mags (It happens with both.)
but when I tried some junk h.v. ammo, Rem. Goldens and Rem. bulk lead, not a single jam.
Seems to be telling me that the mainspring is in good shape for h.v. ammo but I'm sure that many of you have far more experience with the early Colts than I and I'd appreciate you take on the situation?
Shoot h.v. and not worry about it? Limit use but still use h.v.? Other?
Thanks,
Rob
I have the same pistol, and the same issue. I've been told that it should be reliable with standard velocity ammo, but it's not. I can shoot HV ammo, even Thunderbolts, all day with no problems. After spending countless hours, and rounds of several different types of ammo, including experimenting with recoil and main springs, I've given up and don't try anything other than HV ammo in it anymore. It's a pity as it is more pleasant to shoot and seems more accurate with standard velocity ammo.
I only have experience with this one Woodsman.
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Old 04-16-2017, 05:37 AM
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Thanks for all replies. Actually h.v. is usually less $$ around here and I'd be just as happy to go with the faster stuff. Just don't want to risk needlessly battering the gun. I'm not hearing any concerns given the h.v. mainspring and housing, yes?

p.s. JerryRay, Never heard of a '48 era Woodsman with a bolt open after last shot feature. Modification, or are we talking the same pistol?
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Old 04-16-2017, 05:40 AM
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Old 04-16-2017, 06:46 AM
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Thanks for all replies. Actually h.v. is usually less $$ around here and I'd be just as happy to go with the faster stuff. Just don't want to risk needlessly battering the gun. I'm not hearing any concerns given the h.v. mainspring and housing, yes?

p.s. JerryRay, Never heard of a '48 era Woodsman with a bolt open after last shot feature. Modification, or are we talking the same pistol?
Mine is a '48 sport, serial #75xx-S. It locks back after the last shot. Hmm, always thought it was supposed to??
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Old 04-16-2017, 08:25 AM
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Mine is a '48 sport, serial #75xx-S. It locks back after the last shot. Hmm, always thought it was supposed to??
Mine is the same.
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Old 04-16-2017, 10:28 AM
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p.s. JerryRay, Never heard of a '48 era Woodsman with a bolt open after last shot feature. Modification, or are we talking the same pistol?
Second Series Sport Model serial number 1345-S through 146137-S (1948-1955) will have the hold open. Ref: Bob Rayburn's Colt Woodsman Pocket Guide.

If your mag release is on the heel of the grip then it's a First Series Sport Model and will not have a hold open. If the mag release is near the trigger guard then it's a Second Series. First Series stopped manufacture in 1947 while Second Series began manufacture in 1948.

First Series Sport Model serial number run from 90,000 through 187,423.

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Old 04-20-2017, 05:16 PM
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Lib, mrducks

Always thought mine was a 1948. Obviously '47 or earlier. Will double check my source of D.oM.
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Old 04-21-2017, 10:40 AM
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Always thought mine was a 1948. Obviously '47 or earlier. Will double check my source of D.oM.
Some additional information from Bob Rayburn's booklet.

Jan, 1939 began with serial number 131000.
Jan, 1940 with 137600
Jan, 1941 with 144400
Jan ~ Jun, 1942 151800 ~ 157037

After WW2 from Oct, 1946 to June, 1947 a number of pre-war type guns were assembled and shipped. Some were numbered in the 157038 ~ 159024 range. The rest were assigned a new block of numbers beginning at 180000 and continued to 187423 with some numbers being skipped.

Below is my 1942 Woodsman Sport model that likely looks exactly like yours.

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Old 04-21-2017, 01:32 PM
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Woodsman Birthdate

Found my old Rayburn's and sure enough; I was off by a couple of years. Apparently made around 1946.
Yes, doubs43, identical to yours; a bit less blue but no pits.
Accuracy looks right as well! ;-)
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Old 05-28-2017, 02:35 PM
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Nice gun, I'm new to this forum I just own air rifle( the other gun are illegal in UK)
This is my hobby. I'm going to USA next year for a 2 months trip so I hope I will get chance go to shooting range.
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Old 05-28-2017, 08:11 PM
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My short and long barreled Woodsmans can handle HV 22 but are more accurate with SV. The pistols cycle flawlessly. For some reason beating up real old pistols with HV ammo bothers me.

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