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Old 03-19-2017, 12:18 PM
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Walther Sportmodell Meisterbüchse ID?



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Hi Folks!

In this week’s exciting episode of “What Did I Buy?” we have a Walther Sportmodell Meisterbüchse …









Any thoughts on identification would be welcome, but also …

- Is the micrometer tangent sight meant to be mounted on the receiver, the barrel or either?

- There is a small screw recessed in a small hole under the bolt handle. Is that a trigger weight adjustment?

- There is a small hole in the front of the plastic (Bakelite?) trigger guard. What is its function?

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Dave
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Old 03-19-2017, 05:05 PM
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That's a nice example.

The sight is a rear barrel sight, so it is in the wrong place.
The hole near the bolt handle is an access point for a trigger adjustment screw, but it does not adjust weight; it is a sear engagement adjustment for the two-stage trigger.
I am not familiar with the hole in front of the trigger guard, unless it is an attachment for a palm rest.
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That's a nice example.
Thanks!

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The sight is a rear barrel sight, so it is in the wrong place.
OK, that's a 10-second fix, but ... I'm really thinking about putting a scope on it instead. What would be a period-appropriate scope?

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The hole near the bolt handle is an access point for a trigger adjustment screw, but it does not adjust weight; it is a sear engagement adjustment for the two-stage trigger.
Thanks again! By the way ... Is it correct that the trigger assembly uses a roller bearing?
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OK, that's a 10-second fix, but ... I'm really thinking about putting a scope on it instead. What would be a period-appropriate scope?



Thanks again! By the way ... Is it correct that the trigger assembly uses a roller bearing?
Period appropriate scopes for these older German 22 sporters can be anything from a Zeiss Zielklein, to any of the other German scope brands, and there were a lot of them. They are usually 22mm (7/8"). Not only is it difficult to find the scopes, it's even harder to find the correct rings/mounts, and when you do, they are very expensive. I'd just go ahead and put a vintage 1" scope (or even 3/4" or 7/8") on for now and enjoy shooting it.

Yes, as I recall, my Walther Model V also uses a roller bearing on the trigger, which is one of the reasons the triggers can be adjusted to such a nice letoff.
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Period appropriate scopes for these older German 22 sporters can be anything from a Zeiss Zielklein, to any of the other German scope brands, and there were a lot of them. They are usually 22mm (7/8"). Not only is it difficult to find the scopes, it's even harder to find the correct rings/mounts, and when you do, they are very expensive. I'd just go ahead and put a vintage 1" scope (or even 3/4" or 7/8") on for now and enjoy shooting it.
Sounds like a plan. Will 11 mm dovetail rings work?

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Yes, as I recall, my Walther Model V also uses a roller bearing on the trigger, which is one of the reasons the triggers can be adjusted to such a nice letoff.
It does have a nice letoff, but the feel is unusual. No bad, just unusual. I feel like I can feel the roller through the trigger. Am I dreaming?

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What a great find! Yes they have the roller bearing on a ramp 2-stage trigger with exterior sear engagement adjustment. These guns scream quality, and honestly they didn't change much through to the KKM match series (much more refined trigger, but same basic action. Mine loves Federal match:

I'm sure yours will serve you well.
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What a great find!
Thanks for all the info and kind words! Yours is a real beauty though. Congrats!
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Whoa! I just discover the cool little wheel on the back of the rear sight that lets you select the shape of the rear sight notch.

But mine doesn't want to turn. Is there some sort of release? Or do I just need to encourage it with some penetrating lube and a nylon drift?

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Dave, I have a twin to your rifle. Mine is missing the removable front sight blade. Can I impose upon you to post some photos of the front sight blade insert itself so I can know what I'm looking for? Many thanks for any assistance you can provide.


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Dave, I have a twin to your rifle. Mine is missing the removable front sight blade. Can I impose upon you to post some photos of the front sight blade insert itself so I can know what I'm looking for? Many thanks for any assistance you can provide.
No problem. If the Penguins aren't playing, I'll try to get it done tonight.
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Dave, I have a twin to your rifle. Mine is missing the removable front sight blade. Can I impose upon you to post some photos of the front sight blade insert itself so I can know what I'm looking for?
Sorry for all the lint, but you get the idea ...




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Great close ups; thank you! I looked at the photo properties; did you use a 100 mm lens for these closeups?

My front sight hole has a piece of what looks like a downward-curved flat spring that apparently holds the front sight in. I don't see that spring on yours. Is your sight staked in place?

I was looking at my notes on my Walther. You didn't ask, but I thought it might be helpful. Here is what I wrote about the bolt disassembly:

I was assembling the rifle (putting complete bolt back in). I dropped the bolt (on the table top), then could not get it in the receiver. The bolt had come apart. It comes apart by turning the safety.

The bolt cocks on open, so the bolt must be cocked to go back in. However, the bolt must not be cocked to reassemble the bolt. That is how I finally got it back together.

Bolt - when the bolt is removed (and cocked) there is a small "button" on the bolt (by the bolt handle) that you push in. This allows the bolt handle collar to rotate and release the firing pin (de-cock it). Then the bolt can be reassembled. Remember, the bolt must be de-cocked to insert the bolt in the receiver.

Did you get the rear sight to turn?

Last edited by Hyperion; 04-14-2017 at 09:18 AM. Reason: Used "site" instead of "sight." Corrected it.
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Old 04-14-2017, 08:10 AM
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Great close ups; thank you! I looked at the photo properties; did you use a 100 mm lens for these closeups?
Yes, a Pentax 100mm macro lens. It's been in the Pentax program for many years in various forms, and it's capable of absolutely stunning images, but macro and normal. These quickie shots don't come close to showing what it can do.

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My front sight hole has a piece of what looks like a downward-curved flat spring that apparently holds the front site in. I don't see that spring on yours. Is your sight staked in place?
I think so. Check the front edge of the blade in the last photo. It's flared.

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I was looking at my notes on my Walther. You didn't ask, but I thought it might be helpful. Here is what I wrote about the bolt disassembly:
Hoo boy, I'm glad you told me that before I tried to take it out. Thanks!

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Did you get the rear sight to turn?
No, and I'm really reluctant to force it. Hmmm.
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This weekend I will check my rear sight and see what assistance I can offer. It's off the rifle now; I had a scope mounted on it. I remember mine moving easily; but it's been a while...
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dbuffington,

My rear sight appears identical to yours. It allows the aperture disk to turn with firm finger pressure only. I would suggest you try some Kroil or other oil to loosen it up. No drift should be needed. I hope this helps.
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